Explaining Socialism To Conservatives

Guest Author: Pam B.
Recently, I was talking with a new friend whom I’m just getting to know. She tends to be somewhat conservative, while I lean more toward the progressive side.
When our conversation drifted to politics, somehow the dreaded word “socialism” came up. My friend seemed totally shocked when I said “All socialism isn’t bad”. She became very serious and replied “So you want to take money away from the rich and give to the poor?” I smiled and said “No, not at all. Why do you think socialism means taking money from the rich and giving to the poor?
“Well it is, isn’t it?” was her reply.
I explained to her that I rather liked something called Democratic Socialism, just as Senator Bernie Sanders, talk show host Thom Hartman, and many other people do.
Democratic Socialism (or social democracy) consists of a democratic form of government with a mix of socialism and capitalism. I proceeded to explain to her the actual meaning terms “democracy” and “socialism”.
Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Socialism is when we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within the society.
Of course when people hear that term, “Share the wealth” they automatically start screaming, “OMG you want to rob from the rich and give it all to the poor!” But that is NOT what Democratic Socialism means.
To a Democratic Socialist, sharing the wealth means pooling tax money together to design social programs that benefit ALL citizens of that country, city, state, etc.
The fire and police departments are both excellent examples of Democratic Socialism in America. Rather than leaving each individual responsible for protecting their own home from fire, everyone pools their money together, through taxes, to maintain a fire and police department. It’s operated under a non-profit status, and yes, your tax dollars pay for putting out other people’s fires. It would almost seem absurd to think of some corporation profiting from putting out fires (if you read about the history of fire fighting in USA, you can understand this better, because we already tried it). But it’s more efficient and far less expensive to have government run fire departments funded by tax dollars.
Similarly, public education is another social program in the USA. It benefits all of us to have a taxpayer supported, publicly run education system. Unfortunately, in America, the public education system ends with high school.
Most developed countries provide low cost or free college education for their citizens. This is because their government and citizens understand that an educated society is a safer, more productive and more prosperous society. When living in such a society, everyone benefits from public education.
When an American graduates from college, they usually hold burdensome debt in the form of student loans that may take 10 to even 30 years to pay off. Instead of being able to start a business or invest in their career, the college graduate has to send off monthly payments for years on end.
On the other hand, a new college graduate from a developed country that has free or affordable college education, begins without the burdensome debt that an American is forced to take on. That young man or woman is then freer to start-up businesses, take an economic risk on a new venture, or invest more money in the economy, instead of spending their money paying off student loans that only benefit for-profit financial institutions. Obviously their way does not benefit wealthy corporations, but it does greatly benefit everyone in that society.
EXAMPLE American style capitalistic program for college: If you pay (average) $20,000 annually for four years of college that will total $80,000 + interest for student loans. The interest that you would owe could easily total or exceed the $80,000 you originally borrowed, which means your degree could easily cost in excess of $100,000.
EXAMPLE Democratic Socialist style social program for college: Your college classes are paid for through government taxes. When you graduate from college and begin your career, you also start paying an extra tax for your fellow citizens to attend college.
Question – You might be thinking how is that fair? If you’re no longer attending college, why would you want to help everyone else pay for their college degree?
Answer – Every working citizen pays a tax that is equivalent to say, $20 monthly. If you work for 40 years and then retire, you will have paid $9,600 into the Social College Program. So you could say that your degree ends up costing only $9,600. When everyone pools their money together and the program is not-for-profit, the price goes down tremendously. This allows you to keep more of your hard earned cash!
Health care is another example: If your employer does not provide health insurance, you must purchase a policy independently. The cost will be thousands of dollars annually, in addition to deductible and co-pays.
In Holland and Belgium, an individual will pay around $50 – $75 monthly, and a family averages $150 – $200 monthly. Everyone pays into the system and this helps reduce the price for everyone, so they get to keep more of their hard earned cash.
In the United States we are told and frequently reminded that anything run by the government is bad and that everything should be operated by for-profit companies. Of course, with for-profit entities the cost to the consumer is much higher because they have corporate executives who expect compensation packages of tens of millions of dollars and shareholders who expect to be paid dividends, and so on.
This (and more) pushes up the price of everything, with much more money going to the already rich and powerful, which in turn, leaves the middle class with less spending money and creates greater class separation.
This economic framework makes it much more difficult for average Joes to ”lift themselves up by their bootstraps” and raise themselves to a higher economic standing.
So next time you hear the word “socialism” and “spreading the wealth” in the same breath, understand that this is a serious misconception.
Social programs require tax money and your taxes may be higher. But as you can see everyone benefits because OTHER costs go down and, in the long run, you get to keep more of your hard earned cash!
Democratic Socialism does NOT mean taking from the rich and giving to the poor. This works to benefit everyone so the rich can no longer take advantage of the poor and middle class.
I know in Japan an individual health policy is about $25…~Emine
Not that there’s anything wrong with taking from the rich and providing for the poor. Progressive taxation requires taking more from the rich and this is exactly how it should be. No need to dance around this simple fact.
I do wish that the term Socialism would not be used in this context. It is not helpful at all, because it has a strong claim to being synonymous with Communism and therefore in reference to an entirely non-capitalist economic system. The term “social democracy” uses “social” as an adjective, and is preferable, because it refers to social concerns, but does not necessarily imply a non-free market economy. It also doesn’t have the same negative baggage (associations) as the term “Socialism”. So let’s be a bit smarter about our language use, shall we?
Millions of dollars have been spent to convince (read: brainwash) Americans that socialism is bad. Zealots will not be convinced, but there are low information people who can understand if the message can be framed effectively.
well, we live in social democracies here in Europe, and we’re not oppressed or anything. come visit, you’ll see. I feel much freer than my american friends. The cold-war propaganda machine is responsible for Americans not really being conversant in what different systems entail, and how they work. Many seem to think that our current problems arise from overtaxed social programmes, when in fact our eurozone problems are a direct result of corrupt banks and officials… just like in the US. The programmes largely pay for themselves.
“Socialism is when we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within the society.”
This isn’t the correct definition of Socialism either, and it’s this definition that gets Conservatives all screwed up in the 1st place.
Socialism: Worker ownership of the means of production.
Definition of SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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Examples of SOCIALISM
She is quite right, for example, to stress that Thatcher’s crusade against socialism was not merely about economic efficiency and prosperity but that above all, “it was that socialism itself—in all its incarnations, wherever and however it was applied—was morally corrupting.” —Stephen Pollard, New York Times Book Review, 18 Jan. 2009
Social democracy and democratic socialism are NOT the same thing. You described social democracy in this article, which still allows factories and other means of production to be owned privately. In any pure form of socialism, democratic or not, all the means of production are state-owned.
You’re thinking about Communist Leninnism. The notion of complete state ownership of all productive means came from Lenin and the Bolsheviks, as Marx’s original notion of ownership of means of production was through the people themselves, not the state representing the people. Lenin instituted the state as the “people” in which to monopolize control of national resources for the Bolshevik Party, which was later solidified by Stalin. Socialism itself in its purest form only means something is public right not a private service. When you use a public service, you are affectively supporting socialism. Anytime you ride a public bus, call 911, use services like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Foodstamps, so on you are using socialized services .
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Below is a BAD example!!!!!!!!!!!! In civilized countries it is understood that all children are not college material and someone must drive the garbage trucks. In the US, half the kids who start college don’t have a decent high school education. In the US half the kids in “community college” are studying high school material and/or taking shop/commercial courses that should be taught in a union apprentice program. .
“EXAMPLE American style capitalistic program for college: If you pay (average) $20,000 annually for four years of college that will total $80,000 + interest for student loans. The interest that you would owe could easily total or exceed the $80,000 you originally borrowed, which means your degree could easily cost in excess of $100,000.
EXAMPLE Democratic Socialist style social program for college: Your college classes are paid for through government taxes. When you graduate from college and begin your career, you also start paying an extra tax for your fellow citizens to attend college.”
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John (mouth of truth discussion) I stopped reading when you wrote – - “A concise contemporary definition of “socialism” is, a social arrangement where government directly controls the means of production and establishes rules for business without actually operating businesses.” – - – That is the definition of a Marxist theory of socialism, which is basically communism, NOT socialism.
Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that there are different kinds of socialism?
Plus the author stated quite clearly that she is not advocating for the USA to become a socialist country. So why have you gone to such great lengths to destroy the article?
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